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How could a Christian - liberal or not - use a term such as "the Christian right" or "Christian conservative" in a derogatory manner - as a "put down" or ridicule?  And why is it that these terms are so often joined in close proximity?

Consider what I believe to be true – that an American who considers himself "left wing" is more likely to be an atheist or agnostic than is an American who considers himself to be "right wing." I have no statistical or demographic proof at hand for this proposition, but I would be very surprised if it isn't true. If it is true, why is that the case? I'll try to propose an answer to that question (and others) here.

How could a Christian develop a rabid and irrational hatred for another Christian - a Methodist no less -  who - 

  • When asked which philosopher most influenced his lifewill unhesitatingly and confidently respond, "Jesus Christ."  (And he is ridiculed for this response, believe it or not - and I'll bet that many of those doing the ridiculing consider themselves to be Christians.) 

  • When told that one of the world's most evil beings, Yasser Arafat, was either dead or dying, said "May God bless his soul."  

  • Praised his opponent - a man who used every deceitful and below the belt tactic in the book to slander and defame him - as having run a campaign of which he and his running mate could be proud.

  • Has consistently turned his cheek, just as the Bible would have him do.

How could a Christian have a terrible and festering hatred - a hatred that the person probably won't even admit to having - for a good and honorable man like that? How can this be?

Let us define two terms here, and those are the political directions of "left" and "right."   While the terms "liberal" and "conservative" can mean different things at different times, the terms "left" and "right" may be defined in a bit more permanent manner. (Note that these terms are not always defined thus - but, in my humble opinion, they should be.)

  • The ultimate "leftist" is the totalitarian who elevates and glorifies government over the individual. The ultimate "leftist" looks to government for his very existence; government provides food, clothing, shelter, transportation, recreation, jobs, health care, education, worship - everything.

  • The ultimate "rightist" is the anarchist who elevates the individual over the government. The ultimate rightist ignores both the human need for order and structure in the world and those human faults and failings which need to be addressed, resolved, and remedied uniformly and sometimes coercively.  

So the spectrum lies between these points. On any given matter of importance, idea, or philosophy an individual may be more left or more right – in favor of more or less government; one need not be uniformly right or left on every given topic, but most typically a person will be either more right or more left on most issues. Thus one may be called, more or less, "left wing" or "right wing."   (I don't know any sane individuals who are completely right or completely left.)   I have no definition of the absolute center, so the term "centrist" holds little meaning, it being determined by a swath of unknown width at an undefined location. Therefore, for purposes of this short argument, a person is either "left wing" or "right wing."

One point becomes clear from the outset using these definitions and that is that fascism, Nazism, Marxism, communism, and socialism are all "left wing."   So often repeated that many believe it to be true, but it is not and it never has been true, is that fascism is a demon of the far right. Fascism, being totalitarian, is part of the far left.   Think of communism as "Coke" or "Ajax" and fascism as "Pepsi" or "Comet."   In either event you have competitors but pretty much the very same product - totalitarianism. Calling a "right-winger" a "fascist" is simply ridiculous - completely laughable.

"Islamo-fascism" is a strange concoction due to its utter confusion of government and religion. It does not fit neatly into my definitions. It is a "third wing" in a three-dimensional system. I will not address it further here, although you do not have to be Muslim to confuse religion with government. (Confusing government and religion need not necessarily be a "bad" thing or a "good" thing, either. Much of our law is based upon "equity," for example, which came straight from the Church of England.)

Now let me submit that human beings need to believe that there is something more powerful than they are. They need to believe that there is something "above" them. This "higher authority" can be seen in several layers, in fact. A person who truly believes that he or she is at the very top of the "pecking order" is not only rare but, I submit, insane.

Having said that, it isn't difficult to see why an American who considers himself "left wing" is more likely to be an atheist or agnostic than is an American who considers himself to be "right wing." Why? The "left winger" has the government above, and may or may not need God as an additional layer, whereas the "right winger" cannot be without God because the government is subservient to him.  Why is it that communist countries are so often atheist? Why is it that religion is generally less important in the lives of socialists? Why are so many so-called "liberal" (actually left-wing) churches losing members? Could it be that left-wingers see government as a panacea, and that many "left wingers" now think that they have no further need for God or that if there is a God then He will act through government whether or not they believe in Him?

I'm a Christian, but I believe the same analysis applies to Jews as well.  (I don't know enough about other religions to have an opinion on whether this analysis applies to them too.)

Communism is an evil which includes crimes against humanity, terror, and repression. Before their fall, communists developed propaganda as a high art form. That art form lingers on in the left-most fringes of the political spectrum. Say something boldly enough, often enough and you may get a following who will believe you and who will themselves repeat it boldly and often. Truly insane ideas can become main-stream in this manner. Don't believe it? Just remember (if you can) Nazi Germany. An entire nation became insane and it almost infected the remainder of the world.

Need more convincing that communism is evil? Try The Black Book of Communism (Stephane Courtois, Nicolas Werth, Jean-Louis Panne, Andrzej Paczkowski, Karel Bartosek, and Jean-Louis Margolin). Think other insane ideas cannot take root in the United States? Try Intellectual Morons (Daniel J. Flynn). I have both of these books and would be pleased to lend them out.

What do the terms "conservative" and "liberal" mean today?  The term "right-wing" is often used to describe "conservative" thought, and "left-wing" for "liberal" thought.  If that is now the case, these terms have become redundant.  I think that need not be the case.  Many "liberals" decry that the term "liberal" has become dirty.  What happened?  I submit that the lock-step joinder of "liberal" with "left wing" has caused this.  Imagine a "right-wing liberal."  Can you?  I certainly can.  A person with charity in his heart and soul who strives to help his fellow man become independent, not dependent; a person who champions that independent spirit and proudly calls it "American."  A person who can read our history and find the good in it, while working to "right the wrongs" from our past.  (The "passionate conservative" would complement the right-wing liberal here - advocating the preservation of our good and noble traditions.)  A person who unselfishly advocates the right of every person to become the best that he or she can be without government intervention ("meddling").  Paradoxically, "power to the people" means precisely that for a right-wing liberal - not "power to the government over the people."  Guess who comes to mind as a "right-wing liberal"?  Ronald Reagan.

You need not be a communist or a socialist to be a liberal.  That, I submit, is what caused the term "liberal" to become a dirty word - the association of the term with communism and socialism.  It has also left a number of people who thought that they were liberals thinking that their party has left them.  The Democratic Party has wandered into the left-wing of the political spectrum and is moving farther and farther into the darkness.  The communists and socialists have usurped the term "liberal."  Anyone from the right who dares to be "liberal" is vilified and delegitimized - and recall that the majority of propaganda experts are currently from the left-wing of the political spectrum.  It has been a very clever ploy that has almost worked.  Many liberals may have been taken down this track unwittingly.


As many of you know, our email lists have been down.  I've tried to post this several times, but it never went through.  I did share it with a couple of you on this list as a "preview," and I did get some comments "off list."  I responded to one of these comments with the following, which I now share with everyone:


Our email lists are still down, or I would have posted this on the Forum.  If I were to expand it, I think I would go more into what my concept of the roots of "conservativism" are.  That will take some more thinking on my part.  (I actually enjoy thinking - like some enjoy sweating and raising their heartbeats, which I do not.)  The definitions of "conservative" and "liberal" have become so bound up with ideology that "pure" conservative thought isn't what folks think it is.  I believe "conservatism" has more to do with respect for and learning from history than it does love for or hatred of big government.  "Liberalism" has more to do with willingness to do things differently - to try new things.  At least that is the direction I would take that topic.  Then there is concern for self and concern for others - a topic which is also independent from "conservative" vs "liberal" and "left-wing" vs. "right wing."  (Thus "limousine liberal" and "compassionate conservative" are not only possible, they do exist.)  And pessimism vs. optimism; passivity vs. action; hope vs. despair; theism vs. atheism.  Each of these things can be seen as its own separate axis on a multi-dimensional view of a person's belief system (which itself may move and change over time).

If you have a mess, the fist thing you need to do is untangle it.  Then you can put it in some order.  So I find these definitions to be very important.  If we are to speak the same language we need to agree on the definitions of the words and concepts we are using.  If you are to understand what somebody is saying you need to understand the meaning of the terms he is using. 

I brought up the issue of Christianity for several reasons, and none of these reasons was to say that my argument was correct because the bible says its so.  Our president, George W. Bush, is a Christian, and I wanted to make the point that much of what he does may be explained by his beliefs - which I perceive as being very strong.  I wanted to make the point because one of my audiences was so-called "liberal" Christians who have developed a strange and sick hatred for one of their own - George W. Bush.  I posted the foregoing message on a Yahoogroup list to which I have subscribed for many years but, believe it or not, to which I very, very rarely post anything - a list of Methodists from Southern California (mostly clergy and mostly "liberal").  One Methodist who is not on that list was also targeted with my email, and you might know him (because he belonged to our Rotary Club for awhile) - Clair Mitchell.  Clair is about as liberal a person as you can get, and he sends out emails quite often.  I never responded to any of his stuff, until he sent me one a few days ago in which he led off by saying that George Bush was his president.  Frankly, that shocked me because I thought he would be another "whiner," wringing his hands and saying we was going to pack up and move to Cuba or something.  But he said that George Bush was his president.  Let's just say it got my attention.  I just had to send this to him.  He may or may not have read it in depth, but he acknowledged receiving it and said he agreed with parts of it and disagreed with others.  The Methodist Yahoogroups list had a few comments - none directly addressing these issues, one congratulating me on my work, and another calling it a "cheap shot."

So there you go.  I wish folks would discuss this on the Forum (when it comes back up) - but they won't.

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